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To put it a little more pragmatically, it doesn't look very good to talk about Croatian here. Plus to be specific never hurts Yes, of course this has to do with the language argument in Yugoslavia. But if we start infecting history with that argument, goodness trogkr when trogri we stop? I agree that trkgir claim that all those dialects are to be called "Croatian language" is stretched, but to state that "there was no Croatian people" is quite incorrect as a rationale. Especially since all this literature is Midle. Whenever you don't sound out of your mind - which in tvoje domen is never - I listen to you.

There was a nationality to identify with, but not in any modern sense Anyway, what bothered me was that Croatian, Serbian, and, um, their smaller cousins were all created like Serbo-Croatian and appropriated relatively recently. Before that -- this is my impression from my sources -- no one really knew what to call the language spoken all over the territory because the Mean Big Europeans and the Nasty Turks wouldn't let most of ex-Yugoslavia develop and keep an identity. Which was the rule in feudalistic society anyway, so it isn't surprising Roman emperor Diocletian in present-day Split around Croats start fyck to what is today Croatia Duke Trpimir issues the Charter trobir which for the first time is mentioned the name Croatia, in Middle age fuck women in trogir official documents Tomislav, the first Croatian king is mentioned, unifier of Pannonian and Dalmatian Croatia Middle age fuck women in trogir After the death of Petar Svacic, the last Croatian king, Croatia enters into a union with Hungary The beginning of defense against the Agee, who through time occupy the larger part of Croatian territory Woken a decision of the Croatian Assembly, the dynasty of Habsburg comes to the Croatian throne Croatia is largely liberated of Turkish rule; continental Croatia remains under the rule womsn Habsburg, and Married and looking in liverpool largest part of the Adriatic coast and islands are under Venice; only Dubrovnik Republic remains completely independent After the short-term rule of the French under Napoleon, who abolished Venice and Dubrovnik Republic, almost the whole of present-day Croatia enters into the Habsburg Monarchy Croatian becomes the official language of Croatia in Croatian Parliament Saborreplacing the Latin language Ban Viceroy Josip Jelacic defends Croatia against attempts of Hungarian occupation and unites all Croatian provinces German and Italian forces occupy Yugoslavia; the organized partisan resistance starts, led by Croatian antifascists under the guidance of Josip Broz Tito The Federative Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia is proclaimed and within Yugoslavia, today's Croatia is a federative republic The rest can be found on http: The article has it listed as Italo-Western Romance, but Image: I'm not really sure.

In that case, Dalmatian is something intermediate. BUt the other classification puts most Italian dialects central and meridionaland Romanian as "Eastern Romance" they share features like vocalic plurals, -i as 2 person singular, lost of latin -s and no sonorization of intervocalic plosives. Isn't this language belonging to Eastern Romance languages, together with Romanian? However also in some features close to Friulan and Romanian mainly in the exit -pt of lat. Has anybody took pains to go on the spot and question local people, I am sure they could make interesting discoveries through a study of personal onomastic. A cursory check proves this to be untrue and the dialect to be nonexistant.

How dare you question its existance. The problem with people like you is that. What did you do. Being so close to both Dubrovnik and Zadar, Korzulot is actually mentioned in the old archives of Dubrv. Don't tell me words like; "Shkoj", "Lenga" and "Zmuo" don't exist. I know you awsomely love your country and all that crap. Let's have a look at this. First, I'm not a Croat: I've never been to Croatia and have no emotional involvement with the country- it's not my "beautiful little country", nor do I "awesomely love" it. That I might be a Croat Nationalist is, frankly, laughable. What I am, however, is a linguist.

And, more, a linguist who has studied the Dalmatian language. In all the literature I've ever read, I have never encountered a "Korzulot" dialect of the language. In all the literature on Romance linguistics I've ever read and, believe me, that's a lotI have never encountered any mention of a "Korzulot" dialect of the Romance Dalmatian language, let alone any claims that the language has survived into the present day. You've mistaken a Slavonic dialect for a Romance one. As we are enjoined to assume good faithI will assume that it's the former.

However, either way, "Korzulot" has no place in this article until proof is provided in the form of academic sources. As such, I've reverted it to the last substantiated version. I'm a swedeso I don't care one attoparsec on the ethnical identity of this or that ethnic group — all screamers are hereby urged to go get themselves an Improved Ego by Education. With a point sticking in Montenegro. This means, any literature you're talkin about is found in none other then Croatia. To be specivic the old archives of 3 oldest cities; Dubrovnik, Split and Zadar. To tell me that you haven't seen this word mentioned anywere else, is your problem not mine.

Cakavian generally is problematic when it comes to sortation. You caught me, out of time to moderate anything. I agree that the Internet is full of garbage and that Wikipedia is rather shallow, and very speculative at some placesbut Korzulot is real. The screamer being anonymous is understandable enough, making such a bad figure requires anonymity, of course Also these 2 idioms were mixing from the early-Medieval so transitions between 2 languages resulted with some really mixed variances saved in the little cities-comunes through Medieval.

Korzulot was surely one of these cases.

Wo,en it is chakavian so Thesis from Bartoli's "Das Dalmatishe" were accepted in scientifical Middle age fuck women in trogir but not without dispution. Eminent linguist Clement Merlo considered that Togir language was closer to Ladin: All together it makes a ring, a chain which was stretched across Dalmatia to other sides" Veglioto e ladino, Milano, All together fuckk seems it was something between, both western and eastern elements involved. What's the problem to have correct historical names since the article is about Dalmatian language, not Italian. Italian names developed when there was already a lack of Dalmatian speakers in these cities.

Vodnjan was known as early as Roman times as Vicus Attinianum and listed in historical records in at the time of Pietro Candiniano However I also found a source [1] or the same in English [2] where it's written: The local Croatian folk provided the Croatian transcription with expressions of direction 'in Dignano' I simply made a mistake since Dalmatian was wkmen vernacular language while Latin was predominanly used in the documents in the same time, so in some cases cities were documented by their Latin on also a few hundred years after the fault of the Roman Empire, it was a litlle bit weird Vicus For the rest of the cities you don't have to go far away, just check Wiki Middl They're either Venetian names or just Latin names.

In one case, you've even fufk an authentic Dalmatian name Ragusa with a Latin form- Raugia. Tracking down authentic Dalmatian forms inn difficulty: I only found Vikla in a copy of Bartoli's work. To my knowledge, there isn't an attested Middke form of Dignano: They're found in a letter written in the Ragusan dialect in the fourteenth century, the first line of Middle age fuck women in trogir follows, with the place names highlighted: Tangentially, I remain to be convinced that Ragusan and Vegliot Dalmatian were dialects of the same language.

So as you can see the situation is pretty complex, which is why I suggested just sticking to the Croatian names and not making uncited claims about "Dalmatian" names of dubious provenance. I know about that letter, it's written by an author under large Venetian influence, so it doesn't give useful information. Actually none of these names is Venetian. Venetians were the biggest enemies of Dalmatian cities and it's hard to expect that Dalmatians used the names given by their enemies. In the contrary Venetian names developed from Dalmatian and Croatian ones much later. The most of present Croatian names developed from Romance Dalmatian language names.

Venetians never really populated Dalmatia. Whatever it's not incorrect to write Latin names of the cities since these formats were found in the documents almost all written in Latin during Dalmatian language ages. Maybe Ragusan and Vegliot were dialects of the same languge but something else is interesting here. If you would come here to Dalmatia, and if I would lead you on little trip across Dalmatia, just to hear Chakavian Croatian from town to town, you would notice many similarities but also many differencies in some cases, and all these differencies have roots in different dialects of extinct Dalmatian.

The most probably every city had its own dialect. But I'm sure it was the same language less or more. It's because of all this that these dubious "Dalmatian" forms are more trouble than they're worth. Just stick to the Croatian. Concerning the name of Zadar it can be surely stated that it was not of neither Croatian, neither Romance, neither Latin ancestry, it originated in ancient pre-Roman ages Finished formats of Zadar name were found in the writings of Antique writers and in the inscriptions of the same periods, then later in Medieval documents as Jader, Jadera, Jadra Iader, Iadera, Iadra and other graphic and fonetic variances.

From this format, the name for ethnicon name of the habitant was developed in Antique — Jadestini Iadestini. Without suffixes there is a basical element root iad- the oldest name of Zadar. According to the geographic incidences of that root, it can be stated that it was found mostly in the ethnic territory populated by ancient Illyrians Author now discuss about the element adr- and finds it in the Illyrian territory but also it can be found somewhat wider. In summary originating of the name of Zadar should be found in much older past, in pre-Illyrian ages, and it should be concerned as one of those numerous names that ancient Mediterranean population left over across all Mediterranean coasts.

There was one more phonetic change of the name in the early-Medieval, initial J- became Z- which was a characteristic of old-Dalmatian Romance language… That change supposed to occur very early because it was reflected in Croatian name of the city too Ethnicity was ended with suffix —ino which was also often found in the territory populated by Illyrians. Very important is that accent was on the first syllable in both forms Iader and Iadera, which influenced the early-Medieval Romance form Jadra, from which in addition were developed the names of the city in Croatian and Italian language, where accent kept its original place. Jadra was actually only a graphy in official Medieval Latinism, saved by tradition.

In early-Romance period it was spoken Zadra, because the group —Ja- as everywhere, was transformed to Za.

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In Venetian dialect, the group —dr- was transformed to —r- that is one of the characteristics of of that dialect, examples patron — paronin the contrary it was saved in Croatian language, so obviously Croatian name was closer to original form than Italian name, which was undertaken from Venetian dialect. Last changes were from 13th century. Previously to this edition it was last published by Jacques Paul Migne in his Patrologia LatinaParis,compilation of Medieval sources. It includes one of the most oldest lists of catholic bishops dioceses in Christian Medieval countries. In the section Civitates Dalmatiae et Croatiae num.

XX, 19 Croatian cities were noted as sitting places of dioceses. Zadar Middle age fuck women in trogir noted as civitas Jadera. Original source was last published: Codex diplomaticus Regni Croatiae, Dalmatiae et Slavoniae, sv. III, Zagreb page Further development of the name was in Venetian language. A group -dr- transformed to -r- there So Jadra, spoken Zadra was changed with Venetian Zara and from there later into Italian literral language. This proves that Croatian format Zadar is closer to pre-format from which modern names were developed. The name of the city was also found in old French chronics which were describing the accidents from Fourth Crusade P.

The name of the city was Jadres there. Some of the authors of these chronics were passing through the city so allegedly they were able to hear how native population pronounced the name. However a somewhat different view is much more convincing. In the age of Fourth Crusade Zadar was very important centre, known much far out of Dalmatia; its name written in official Latin was spreading through the documents and literal writings. Therefore much more logical conclusion is that authors of these chronics, written directly after the accidents that were described a siegesimply Franchised a conventional graphy Jadra -e- exchanging —a- and adding —s for nominativetaken from numerous written sources and without interference by local educated people Jadora, Jadera, Jadra - spoken as in English Zara administrativeZadar and Jadra spoken Zadra mostly in use by majority, Zara by Venetians and local noblemen - Zara administrativeZadar and Zara in use - 19th and 20th century til Zadar - present As you can see the city never really changed its name in last 1.

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